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9 July 2015 at 13:11 #1098luciferboxParticipant
(with tongue firmly in cheek) Is osteopathy just a ‘glorified cuddle’ then? ;)
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9 July 2015 at 17:27 #1100[email protected]Keymaster
Hi all and welcome.. at the end of the forum I will provide you with a link to download your certificate of attendance (1.5 CPD credits learning with others)..
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9 July 2015 at 17:31 #1101[email protected]Keymaster
To luciferbox
This glorified cuddle is consistently underestimated in manual therapies. There has been extensive research about the physiology and necessity of touch in infant development (animals and humans). These mechanisms are at work throughout the life cycle. Touch intention plays an important role in the therapeutic relationship and potentially recuperation. Have a look at my book The Science and Practice of Manual Therapy. Section 3 deals specifically with the therapeutic aspects of touch.
However it’s not all about touch effects (affects?). All manual techniques have a physiological effect of some kind. However, how strong or how long these effects last is another matter.-
9 July 2015 at 17:46 #1105luciferboxParticipant
I may have joked in my first post, but I never underestimate the importance of therapeutic touch, not when you realise that at 7 weeks intrauterine life the ability to respond to ‘touch’ is present!
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9 July 2015 at 17:32 #1102osteosamParticipant
Very interesting read. I bang on about exercise being of little value if not functional or relevant to real life but can definitely see where many of the conventional rehab exercises I prescribe could be replaced by more truly ‘functional’ ones relevant to an individuals daily activities.
My mind gets stuck though at the thought of not needing to address structural obstacles as well as implementing more process oriented activities… -
9 July 2015 at 17:40 #1103luciferboxParticipant
I read the article in my lunch, then spent the afternoon telling my patients that my structural treatment was just opening a window of opportunity for themselves to continue their ‘healing process’ before they next see me! They liked that idea a lot. Not sure that’s exactly what the article was referring to, but it helped them understand a little more. So for that, big thanks!
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9 July 2015 at 17:40 #1104John A. IbbetsonParticipant
MT techniques?
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9 July 2015 at 17:49 #1106[email protected]Keymaster
Ostesam
Have a look at the fall of the structural model article (in the CPD Resources section). It is difficult to name a known condition which is caused by a postural related structural obstacle -
9 July 2015 at 17:50 #1107lumac108Participant
The power of touch is evident in the lack of satisfaction patients feel when they have ‘hands-off’ therapy. I feel compliance and perception of change, from the patients perspective is always greatly enhanced when some form of manual therapy is combined with advice / exercise etc.
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9 July 2015 at 17:50 #1108[email protected]Keymaster
John
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9 July 2015 at 17:54 #1109[email protected]Keymaster
lumac
I agree. Human seek physical safe, comforting contact that help self regulation. Patient that are given hands-off treatment are not engaged in the management in the same way. Of course some patients prefer just exercise. -
9 July 2015 at 18:02 #1110SploutarchouParticipant
I agree with the idea that PSB factors may not be able to explain why someone suffers with LBP – the body has a great capacity for adaptation. I’m interested to know what Eyal thinks about when there are several PSB factors present concurrently whether there is point at which the biological reserve is used up and symptoms develop?
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9 July 2015 at 18:02 #1111[email protected]Keymaster
Touch is part of the patient’s narrative of recovery
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9 July 2015 at 18:07 #1112[email protected]Keymaster
Sploutarchou
I would think these PSB changes would have to be quite extreme to influence health. So, if they are too small they don’t matter, because of the body/person’s reserve capacity. However, If they are too large they would be outside the remit of a physical therapist as we are unlikely to be able to change them..?? -
9 July 2015 at 18:14 #1113[email protected]Keymaster
Another problem is that by focusing on PBS factors we are pathologising normality/variablity!
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9 July 2015 at 18:15 #1114[email protected]Keymaster
What is a normal posture? What is the reference point?
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9 July 2015 at 18:17 #1115luciferboxParticipant
Do you think this type of approach would be better for treating chronic pain conditions such as FM? The published research would appear to suggest that the structural manual therapy approach to treating FM is not as good as the physical exercise and empowerment route, and so to me it would seem to be a better approach….
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9 July 2015 at 18:20 #1116[email protected]Keymaster
Ask a simple question – by which process is a patient with FM likely to recover?
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9 July 2015 at 18:35 #1120luciferboxParticipant
With regards to FM, I certainly wasn’t referring to recovery, just some kind of amelioration in symptoms, be that that reduced pain or improved functioning.
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9 July 2015 at 18:23 #1117lumac108Participant
rather than saying the structural model is defunct, is it not a case of the process approach ‘absorbing’ the structural model into a wider and more holistic model? surely, some MT seek to help facilitate adaptive change as well as alleviation of symptoms and that by helping the patient to relate these changes in symptoms with functional and psychological process we help to repair and recovery?
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9 July 2015 at 18:31 #1118osteosamParticipant
Definitely theres a gap between structural approach and what a vast amount of patients need to gain a full resolution… I am currently treating a client with a very stubborn chronic shoulder. Structural approaches have gotten him so far, but will certainly sit down with him and work out a more process approach as we seem to have hit that stagnation stage. Definitely will broaden the approach I take in these sorts of cases particularly.
In general, as discussed above I feel the power of touch along with the power of simply ‘being heard’ plays such a huge huge role in what we achieve. All great food for thought, so to speak. -
9 July 2015 at 18:33 #1119[email protected]Keymaster
Once we can name this process we can co-create with the patient the environment that can support it?
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9 July 2015 at 18:49 #1125lumac108Participant
Yeah i see what you mean……the structural model is very limited in that respect. i like the point about recovery being largely an automatic process. but like in the case of Tendon pain, this is mostly a failed recovery/ repair and there are definetly things we can do that we can use to help ‘restart’ or ‘unstick’ this failed healing response, which undoubtedly include MT. but without understanding all of the process involved, we will not complete the rehabilitation.
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9 July 2015 at 18:40 #1121osteosamParticipant
With FM (and other similarly chronic conditions also) does a heck of a lot of a patients state not come down to how in control of their progress (or perhaps lack thereof) they feel? Process approach I’d imagine in that case is simply a case of empowering the patient within their limitations, whether pain or function are technically improving or not?
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9 July 2015 at 18:42 #1122luciferboxParticipant
Ah I see what you mean. Now that really is one to think about! Especially when so many ‘processes’ are at play in this condition!
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9 July 2015 at 18:43 #1123[email protected]Keymaster
Lumac108
A structural model can be integrated within a process approach. Personally, I feel that the structural model has run its course and is now impeding progress in MT professions.
Interestingly, some recovery processes are autonomous. For example, repair. It could still take place in a person in coma. Of course, psychology and behaviour have important influences on the recovery processes. But for that we don’t really need a structural model.. ?? -
9 July 2015 at 18:47 #1124John A. IbbetsonParticipant
MT ( manual therapy ? – general hands-on) or should we go back to MT (manipulative therapy ? – implying skilled more specific hands-on interventions). I wonder if patients or their nervous systems (maybe parasympathetic – sympathetic sensorimotor – not structural/biomechanical) do know somehow the difference.
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9 July 2015 at 18:50 #1126osteosamParticipant
Very true. I had a patient recently whose symptoms presented very much like an acute rib dysfunction might. Structurally there was some very mild ‘stuff’ worth working on, but I strongly feel it was the discussing the grief and stress she’d been under for many years, culminating in recent significant health issues, and allowing her to feel she could physically move through the pain she felt without risk to either MSk or systemic health that made the difference. In hindsight I suppose it was a process approach of sorts involving gradually introducing her previously normal ADL’s which got her moving through that pain which resolved as she went. Fear was a huge factor in it all, which all the structural approach in the world would never make a dent in.
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9 July 2015 at 18:52 #1127[email protected]Keymaster
luciferbox
The advantage of a process approach is that it seeks to identify what can positively help the patient recover; taking the focus away from the pathology. Imagine a patient with an acute disc problem. If we think about the pathology, the pressure on the nerve, etc it impedes us therapeutically. However, if we think how it will recover, say by repair primarily, we can readily identify the environment which will support this process.. -
9 July 2015 at 18:53 #1128osteosamParticipant
But then yep… what of the cases where the repair process has gone askew and become a chronic presentation as mentioned by lumac. Can that be expected to change without some good breaking down of aberrent tissue? Wouldn’t we then end up like it appears many exercise based Physios seem to be where patients are diligently following a graded exercise program but their body is doing the movements all arseways due to structural restriction/dysfunction? Arseways being highly technical and proper terminology of course :)
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9 July 2015 at 18:57 #1129[email protected]Keymaster
Osteosam
Yes you see that a lot in clinic. Many chronic neck patients have no history of neck trauma, structural deviations or remarkable imaging findings. Treatment that encompasses the psychosocial dimension seems to produce better long term results. Touch is used for its supportive, comforting, self-regulation function. -
9 July 2015 at 18:59 #1130osteosamParticipant
And heck, in those cases patients tend to feel so warm and fuzzy by the time they leave i’ve literally gotten some osteopathic hugs ;)
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9 July 2015 at 19:00 #1131[email protected]Keymaster
It’s almost time to finish. That was a great session. Very enjoyable and thought provoking. Thank you all for participating
Next forum is next week on proprioception
Don’t forget to download you certificate of attendance from here:Kind regards
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9 July 2015 at 19:02 #1132osteosamParticipant
Thank you for your time and a thought provoking article Eyal.
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9 July 2015 at 19:04 #1133[email protected]Keymaster
By the way, there will another free process approach forum on 10 Sept, Please spread the word
Thanks
eyal
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