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14 January 2016 at 18:55 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 4 #1420[email protected]Keymaster
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14 January 2016 at 18:30 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 4 #1413[email protected]KeymasterHi All
Warm welcome to CPDO at Home online live forum. Please feel free to ask any question regarding the Process Approach article. Remember that at the end of the session you can claim 1 CPD credit learning with other.I would value your comments, thoughts or ideas for future online workshops. Are there particular topics that you felt were missing from the article and discussion?
17 December 2015 at 19:39 in reply to: Proprioception: facts, myths and therapeutic implications 4 – Dr.Eyal Lederman #1385[email protected]KeymasterThanks you all for your contribution.
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Eyal17 December 2015 at 19:36 in reply to: Proprioception: facts, myths and therapeutic implications 4 – Dr.Eyal Lederman #1384[email protected]KeymasterAgree with Trevor. Important to challenge their losses within functional daily tasks for maximum transfer of training gains
17 December 2015 at 19:34 in reply to: Proprioception: facts, myths and therapeutic implications 4 – Dr.Eyal Lederman #1383[email protected]Keymasterany more questions / thoughts?
17 December 2015 at 19:32 in reply to: Proprioception: facts, myths and therapeutic implications 4 – Dr.Eyal Lederman #1381[email protected]Keymasterupper c-spine dysfunction and dizzyness – not sure, what do you mean by dysfunction?
17 December 2015 at 19:29 in reply to: Proprioception: facts, myths and therapeutic implications 4 – Dr.Eyal Lederman #1380[email protected]KeymasterFalling is multi dimensional, vision, hearing, proprioceptive, motor control, weakness, blood pressure.. + cognitions, ability to focus/multitask, fatigue, LEX weakness and lack of coordination.. to name but a few..
17 December 2015 at 19:25 in reply to: Proprioception: facts, myths and therapeutic implications 4 – Dr.Eyal Lederman #1379[email protected]KeymasterI am still here. Just received all you questions…
17 December 2015 at 19:25 in reply to: Proprioception: facts, myths and therapeutic implications 4 – Dr.Eyal Lederman #1378[email protected]KeymasterNot sure about Benign Postional Vertigo.
Falling is multi dimensional, vision, hearing, proprioceptive, motor control, weakness, blood pressure..17 December 2015 at 19:21 in reply to: Proprioception: facts, myths and therapeutic implications 4 – Dr.Eyal Lederman #1377[email protected]KeymasterAbout to terminate the session
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Season’s greetings and best wishes for the New Year
Eyal17 December 2015 at 18:42 in reply to: Proprioception: facts, myths and therapeutic implications 4 – Dr.Eyal Lederman #1371[email protected]KeymasterHi Andrew, welcome to the forum. Gald you found the workshop useful. Any questions? thoughts?
17 December 2015 at 18:42 in reply to: Proprioception: facts, myths and therapeutic implications 4 – Dr.Eyal Lederman #1370[email protected]KeymasterHi Andrew, welcome to the forum. Gald you found the workshop useful. Any questions? thoughts?
17 December 2015 at 18:40 in reply to: Proprioception: facts, myths and therapeutic implications 4 – Dr.Eyal Lederman #1369[email protected]KeymasterThis is something that I keep thinking about – how proprioception and sensory memory are inseparable. We often think of proprioception as a “stand alone” component. However, the information collect by proprioception is continuously compared to past experience of the similar tasks, i.e. the stored sensory experience..
That is why it is so important to rehabilitate proprioception within task..
Also in normal movement proprioception and other sensory modalities are highly integrated, i.e. vision, hearing vestibular.. Focusing just on proprioception seems to be a physiological dead end, as far as enhancing performance, rehabilitation of movement or motor learning17 December 2015 at 18:28 in reply to: Proprioception: facts, myths and therapeutic implications 4 – Dr.Eyal Lederman #1367[email protected]KeymasterHi All
Warm welcome to CPDO@Home online live forum.
Please feel free to ask any question regarding the proprioception workshop. I would also value your comments, thoughts or ideas about this topic.
Remember that at the end of the session you can claim 1 CPD credit learning with other (I will provide you with the link to download it).
Spleing msitkaes R aloud5 November 2015 at 19:30 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 3 #1280[email protected]Keymastercaithnessosteo
Look at the thread further up, your Q was answered…5 November 2015 at 19:28 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 3 #1279[email protected]KeymasterHi All
Thank you for joining this forum. Hope you found it useful.
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Eyal5 November 2015 at 19:25 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 3 #1276[email protected]KeymasterWelcome back Sue…
5 November 2015 at 19:13 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 3 #1274[email protected]KeymasterPhilyoung
Yes, to a point. Process to me is something about multiple sequences of events that are interrelated, complexity, uncertainty, no start or ending, etc
.5 November 2015 at 19:09 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 3 #1273[email protected]KeymasterCaithnessosteo
To help healing you need movement. reposition joint muscle fascia is a very structural approach…
From Article:
Osteopathic management often seeks to identify and remove the obstacles which may impede self-healing. It is believed that obstacles to self-healing can arise from faults, misalignments or imbalances within the body’s structure. By removing these structural obstacles damaging stresses can be minimised and physiology improved.
In Process Approach the management is aimed directly at supporting the recovery processes rather than indirectly through influencing biomechanics, structure/anatomy or posture as in the Structural Model.5 November 2015 at 19:04 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 3 #1270[email protected]Keymastercaithnessosteo
As I have said before many therapists unknowingly use a process approach
What do you mean by reposition joint muscle fascia to allow it to heal? How can you do that?
Your question – Is this paper designed to help us reflect our practices? To provoke discussion? Yes to all.5 November 2015 at 19:01 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 3 #1269[email protected]KeymasterIf you don’e have any further questions the certificate can be downloaded from here:
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Thanks for joing the forum and hopefully you’ll join future ones..
Eyal5 November 2015 at 18:57 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 3 #1267[email protected]KeymasterSue and Karlos
Let me know if you would like to continue/have more questions5 November 2015 at 18:56 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 3 #1266[email protected]KeymasterSue
It is interesting that osteopaths don’t learn about adaptive processes. This gives rise to a lot of implausible forms of management..5 November 2015 at 18:53 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 3 #1265[email protected]KeymasterSue
Examples of adaptation:
A sun tan
Memorising and remembering
Learning a new movement
Muscle strength increase by resistance training
Connective tissue changes due to physical changes5 November 2015 at 18:46 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 3 #1264[email protected]KeymasterSue
Do you mean the therapist works to encourage any useful adaptations and to remedy/ change those adaptations that are not useful/ no longer useful? – e.g. muscle hypertrophy?
Essentially, Yes5 November 2015 at 18:44 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 3 #1262[email protected]KeymasterKarlos
Yes, there is a lot of resistance to A Process Approach, although many therapists who work under a Structural Model unknowingly use a Process Approach.5 November 2015 at 18:42 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 3 #1261[email protected]KeymasterAdaptation is the long-term physiological or structural change in the body in response to a change in the environment, i.e. beyond homeostasis
Pain experience can become chronic through neural plasticity – a form of adaptation in the system5 November 2015 at 18:38 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 3 #1259[email protected]KeymasterImmobilisation following an ankle fracture it would result in multisystem adaptive changes affecting vascular, lymphatic systems, connective tissue and muscle tissue and motor control. Subsequently, the individual’s functional recovery after removal of the cast is also associated with adaptive biomechanical/physiological tissue changes, e.g. muscle hypertrophy, and central nervous system plasticity/adaptation.
5 November 2015 at 18:32 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 3 #1256[email protected]KeymasterHi All
A warm welcome to all on this cold and dark London evening. Please feel free to remark, ask and contribute to the discussion.
Your certificate of attendance will be available to download at the end of the forum (1 hour Learning with Others).5 November 2015 at 18:28 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 3 #1255[email protected]KeymasterHi All
A warm welcome to all on this cold and dark London evening. Please feel free to remark, ask and contribute to the discussion.
Your certificate of attendance will be available to downloaded at the end of the forum (1 hour Learning with Others).17 September 2015 at 18:25 in reply to: Proprioception: facts, myths and therapeutic implications 3 – Dr.Eyal Lederman #1217[email protected]KeymasterI am about to log off. Are there any further questions?
The CPD cert button is on the course page, under the forum button..http://www.cpdoathome.com/courses/proprioception
Please join the next forum in December
Regards
Eyal17 September 2015 at 18:12 in reply to: Proprioception: facts, myths and therapeutic implications 3 – Dr.Eyal Lederman #1216[email protected]KeymasterSome people had difficulties loggin in this evening. I am happy to stay a bit longer if required.
17 September 2015 at 18:09 in reply to: Proprioception: facts, myths and therapeutic implications 3 – Dr.Eyal Lederman #1215[email protected]KeymasterGlad you found it useful..
17 September 2015 at 17:53 in reply to: Proprioception: facts, myths and therapeutic implications 3 – Dr.Eyal Lederman #1212[email protected]KeymasterHi All
Welcome to CPDO at Home online live forum. Please feel free to ask any question regarding the proprioception workshop. Remember that at the end of the session you can claim 1 CPD credit learning with others.I would value your comments, thoughts or ideas for future online workshops. Are there particular topics that you felt were missing from the lecture?
What I found important while researching the topic is how proprioception and sensory memory are inseparable. We often think of proprioception as a “stand alone” component. However, the information collect by proprioception is continuously compared to past experience of the similar tasks, i.e. the stored sensory experience..
That is why it is so important to rehabilitate proprioception within task..10 September 2015 at 18:29 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 2 #1204[email protected]KeymasterHi All
We are approaching the end of this sessionThis has been a great discussion. Hope you found it useful albeit a bit challenging.
Don’t forget to download your Learning with Others certificate from here:There will another forum about this topic later this year, will inform you in advance.
Please let your colleagues know about this website.
Looking forward to meeting you future forums.
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Eyal10 September 2015 at 18:24 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 2 #1203[email protected]KeymasterStretching as part of rehabilitation for restoration of movement has been shown to be clinically ineffective. This has been known for some time, at least for the last decade and a half in research. I would recommend having a look at my book Therapeutic Stretching (see bookshop http://www.cpdo.net, where you can also read the introduction chapters and more. This is why I wrote the book..
10 September 2015 at 18:20 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 2 #1200[email protected]Keymaster“I agree that some degree of active involvement is essential for rehabilitation but passive mobilisation techniques have a massive role in enabling a patient to get to that point where they can function sufficiently to perform the right active techniques.”
Yes, but it’s by their effect on repair processes and psychological reassurance. This is what the Process Approach suggests..
10 September 2015 at 18:20 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 2 #1199[email protected]Keymaster“I agree that some degree of active involvement is essential for rehabilitation but passive mobilisation techniques have a massive role in enabling a patient to get to that point where they can function sufficiently to perform the right active techniques.”
Yes, but it’s by their effect on repair processes and psychological reassurance. This is what the Process Approach suggests..
10 September 2015 at 18:16 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 2 #1197[email protected]KeymasterRe: if I showed a patient’s partner what to do, then his treatment would be as effective as mine?
Yes! But he wouldn’t arrive at this point without all your knowledge!!
Management is more than the sum of you techniques!
(ask yourself what is the difference between what I do and the partner’s care)10 September 2015 at 18:11 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 2 #1194[email protected]KeymasterTo atealeosteo
I agree with many of your observations. However, as a scientist the structural model is hard to defend. As a clinician I have stopped using this model as a diagnosis, a model for treatment or to explain to patients the cause of their complaint.. There is also a danger of Pathologising normality using a structural model “your leg is short, pelvis twisted, spine degenerated, etc.”10 September 2015 at 18:06 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 2 #1193[email protected]KeymasterStructural change is unlikely to be driven by passive movement/forces. For adaptation you need 3 conditions:
1. the forces imposed must be equal or exceed the forces of daily activities (otherwise our normal daily activity would turn us in a squashy mess)
2. Exposure dependant – have to be repeated many times
3. Specific – they have to resemble the activity the person aim to recover
Think of some going to the gym. In order to bring about a structural change they will have to fulfil these conditions for adaptation. It will not happen with passive movement10 September 2015 at 17:59 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 2 #1191[email protected]KeymasterStructural change is unlikely to be driven by passive movement/forces. For adaptation you need 3 conditions:
1. the forces imposed must be equal or exceed the forces of daily activities (otherwise our normal daily activity would turn us in a squashy mess)
2. Exposure dependant – have to be repeated many times
3. Specific – they have to resemble the activity the person aim to recover
Think of some going to the gym. In order to bring about a structural change they will have to fulfil these conditions for adaptation. It will not happen with passive movement10 September 2015 at 17:54 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 2 #1187[email protected]KeymasterHope you are all still there:-))
To suzeaustin:
Yes, the touch effects have not been invented by osteopaths; they are part of evolution and human “social physiology”. We utilise this biological phenomenon in our treatment. Layman also stretch and move, but it doesn’t mean that there is no longer professional need for these therapeutic modalities. Remember that your clinical knowledge is more than the sum of your techniques!
Just because active movement is essential for adaptation does not mean that it is physiotherapy. They also have serious lack of understanding about various principles in movement and structural adaptation. I know this because I teach this to physios all over the world!10 September 2015 at 17:47 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 2 #1184[email protected]KeymasterAre there particular areas where you indentify conflicts with you education? You have mentioned change in structure. This is why we need to focus on process which are more “malleable” than structure.
10 September 2015 at 17:45 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 2 #1183[email protected]KeymasterYes, there are problems with the models used in teaching for all manual therapy disciplines. For that reason we need a new model such as the proposed Process Approach.
Concerning the Achilles tendon, change was possible only through active exercise that exceed the forces of daily activities.
10 September 2015 at 17:31 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM 2 #1177[email protected]KeymasterHi All
Warm welcome to CPDO at Home online live forum. Please feel free to ask any question regarding the Process Approach article. Remember that at the end of the session you can claim 1 CPD credit learning with other.I would value your comments, thoughts or ideas for future online workshops. Are there particular topics that you felt were missing from the article and discussion?
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16 July 2015 at 17:23 in reply to: Proprioception: facts, myths and therapeutic implications 2 – Dr.Eyal Lederman #1153[email protected]KeymasterHi All
Welcome to the forum. Feel free to ask any question regarding proprioception or if you had any thoughts that you would like to share about this fascinating topic …
I will provide the link to the downloadable Learning With Others certificate at the end of the forum9 July 2015 at 19:04 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM #1133[email protected]KeymasterBy the way, there will another free process approach forum on 10 Sept, Please spread the word
Thanks
eyal9 July 2015 at 19:00 in reply to: A PROCESS APPROACH IN MANUAL AND PHYSICAL THERAPIES BEYOND THE STRUCTURAL MODEL – FORUM #1131[email protected]KeymasterIt’s almost time to finish. That was a great session. Very enjoyable and thought provoking. Thank you all for participating
Next forum is next week on proprioception
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